Sunday, December 16, 2012

The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse



A query from France:

Dear Damien,

Do you know “The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse” by Patrick Heron (Kensington Publishing Corp., 2004).? It offers many interesting views on mythologies and Egypt.
I read it because I am writing an article on “the days of Noah” (Mt24:36-38 or Lc17:26) . Transhumanism looks terribly similar, if not much worse, to the deeds of the Nephilim before and after the Flood.
So I am just curious to know if you, perchance, have any opinion on this author and his theses.
I wish you a holy and merry Christmas !

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Damien Mackey replies:
 
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I once went to a lecture where it was even suggested that the Egyptians may originally have come from the Moon.
As I see it, the Nephilim came into being when the originally good Sethite line (the children of God) began to mingle with the corrupt Cain-ites. Their progeny were the Nephilim hybrids.
This was all pre-Flood (c. 2300 BC), of course, well before the Pyramids of Giza were built.
There were also giants after the Flood. Children of Ham, perhaps. Some think that Naamah was Noah's second wife, a Cain-ite, and that Ham procreated with her - the cursed Caanan being the outcome.
Surely the giants are archaeologically available to us still in the Neanderthal 'brutes', who could nonetheless be highly intelligent and capable of great deeds.
In any case, none of this has anything to do with fallen angels copulating with earth women, I believe. That is a ridiculous notion.
Almost a millennium later than the Flood, when Moses was young, the Hebrew slaves (amongst others) were the labour for the pyramids to be built (according to Josephus). This was Egypt's 4th dynasty.
Khufu, in my opinion, was the father of the Egyptian foster-mother of Moses, Merris (= Meresankh). Chephren (Greek Chenephres), Khufu's successor, was the husband of Merris.
The Hebrews did far more than that, they also laboured in mighty agricultural and irrigation works.
Obviously the overseers of all this labour were highly skilled men. But they were not non-humans, or demi-gods, or even UFO people.

Have a very happy and blessed Christmas yourself.
Damien M.

12 comments:

JohnnyWhite Man said...

the Old Testament the phrase “sons of God” always refers to angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7).

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sons-of-God.html#ixzz2qGJwWJfL

AMAIC said...

Not exactly. God called both David and Solomon, for instance, "Son [hence of God]".

AMAIC.

John Geurkink said...

Sons of God means heavenly beings, the sons of God came before the Lord in Job, three times it uses the exact word, and sons of man could NOT come before the Lord and even live... as with Moses, so that simply doesn't hold true.

AMAIC said...

You run into trouble following that view. See, e.g.:

http://hoowantstono.hubpages.com/hub/Sons-of-God-not-Angels

Thou art my Son


Hebrew 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Through the many biblical reports and quotations, you will come to the point where understanding Hebrew and Greek is a big asset in your studies. ....

(Go to site for the rest of it).

Joshua Bousman said...

With deep respect and love for all who believe in the Trinity. The official old testament in my church, the Eastern Orthodox Church is the septuigint. and in Genesis 6:2,4 the LXX (the Septuagint) reads “Angels of God.” In the ancient church Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Cyprian, Ambrose, Lactantius, and the great majority of the early church fathers believed that the “Sons of God” of Genesis 6:1-4, was a reference to reprobate angels.

AMAIC said...

Thanks for your comment, Joshua.

I agree with those who consider that a mating of angels and human beings is faught with meatphysical difficulties.
E.g. Fr Echert (http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=455303):

"While many scholars prefer to dismiss this entirely as myth which is borrowed from pagans cultures of the ancient near east, it is more appropriate to look for some truth and reality behind this mythical sounding text. Some of the Church Fathers, such as St. Augustine, Chrysostom, and Cyril of Alexandria suggested that the “sons of God” may refer to righteous descendants (men) of Seth who took descendants (women) of Cain as wives. In such a case, “sons of God” associates the men with the goodness of God whereas “daughters of men” would be intended as a contrast to this. This is typical of ancient Semitic expressions which must not be interpreted literally as we understand such constructions but in accord with the customary use of language at the time. Knowing the background of Cain as a killer and the bad blood of his descendants, it is no wonder that such unions would be regarded in a negative light, which unions led to a situation in which humanity was corrupted and unacceptable to God. On the other hand, it is said of Seth and his line that these were the first to reverence the Name of Yahweh. The word “Nephalim” literally means “fallen ones” which sense would be consistent with an interpretation that views this group as a corrupt mixture of good and bad blood. Other commentators have suggested that the “sons of God” were (fallen) angels who somehow mated with human women, but this does present metaphysical complications in light of the natures of each. For now, I find the Patristic solution the most satisfying". ©
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Pastor Dan Catlin said...

The JPL Bible calls them Divine Beings, in the old testament every time the phrase is used it is speaking of Angels not men...and it is a phrase not just the word sons or son...

AMAIC said...

I like the point below, angels cannot drown. Taken from: https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/702-genesis-6-1-the-nephilim

".... The most reasonable view of Genesis 6:1f is that the allusion refers to the fact that some men, from the godly lineage of Seth, called “sons of God” (an expression denoting those in covenant relationship with Jehovah — cf. Deuteronomy 14:1; 32:5), began to pursue fleshly interests, and so took wives of “the daughters of men,” i.e., those who were unbelievers. (Is there any principle that we can learn from this?)

The subsequent context seems to suggest that it was this carnal trend that ultimately brought the Flood, which prompts this interesting question. If the “sons of God” were angels, how did the Flood serve as a judgment upon them? Can angels drown?"

Damien Mackey.

No Problem said...
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No Problem said...

I agree with you that "sons of God" does not always mean angels. However, this is where our agreement ends.

It was not the angels that drowned; it was their progeny, the nephilim.

You should refer to the (First) Book of Enoch. You should also take heed of the many strange skulls and skeletal remains that are not human. We know they are not human because they have only one parietal plate instead of two. And their DNA is not human.

If it were just the case of Seth's line procreating with Cain's line, none of those non-human remains would've existed and neither would there have been giants. The Nephilim and Rephaim were literally giants. They were the product of fallen angels (Watchers) procreating with human women. The fallen angels are being kept in prison to be judged in the future.

Richard Gaither said...

JUDE 6-7 Reinforces the angelic view.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Damon Quinn said...

In Genesis, the story of the sons of God who co-mingled with women were angels. And though th term, sons of God, is referenced elsewhere in the Bible and in particular, the New Testament in the story in Genesis, the reference is to angels not human men.